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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 28, 2011 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: nobody likes a tease

You think that's bad? Try this tease:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd94-02-27.sbd.stephens.5972.sbeok.shnf

I think the 12/8/93 "Stephen jam" was actually pretty neat...
http://www.archive.org/details/gd82-07-28.fob-senn421.wise.4980.sbefail.shnf
http://www.archive.org/details/gd93-12-08.sbd.larson-ladner.10281.sbeok.shnf

From a 1987 interview:

"I've always liked "Cosmic Charlie," but it's just really a little too difficult. If I could figure out a way to either just sing it or just play it — but playing it and singing it is a bitch. Like the reasons we don't -- people ask us, why don't you do "St. Stephen" anymore?
The truth is that we did it to death when we did do it — when we did it, we did it. In fact we had two periods of time when we did it, we rearranged it later for three voices, with Donna. And we did it, and people who missed it, that's too bad, you know?
We may never do it again. It's one of those things that doesn't perform that well — we were able to make it work then because we had the power of conviction. But I don't think that our present sensibilities would let us do it, the way it was, anyway. We would have to change it some.
The same is true with — let me see, what other ones don't we do? Oh, like "Viola Lee Blues." "Viola Lee Blues" is another tune where we did it. We did it to death. And when we stopped doing it, we stopped doing it because, hey, we're done with it."

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jul 28, 2011 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: nobody likes a tease

was this a quote from Garcia? If so way to man up big boy. I love the guy as much as next person but that's kinda weak. You mean Playing in the band wasn't run into the ground? I think it was the most played song of all time and not to mention in later years it lasted like 5 mins. How can a tune like that not "be done with" and the others be dropped? Then again...I'm not in the band.

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jul 29, 2011 12:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: nobody likes a tease

Because Playin' was a Bob tune and not a Jerry tune, Jerry wasn't the one making the choices about how often it would be performed. All of Weir's material generally got performed more incessantly, and Jerry sometimes complained about it - I recall seeing him say in an interview that he thought they oughta drop "Minglewood" because they had been doing it for way too long, but Bob never took the hint.

More importantly, of anything they should have dropped, Playin' wasn't it. For many years, it was their only real open-ended free improvisation vehicle, and it is not accurate at all to say "in later years it lasted like 5 mins" - even in the least-inspired years, the average was much higher than that. Even the shortest Playins were usually the most interesting thing in the set, if you want to hear actual full band jamming.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jul 29, 2011 10:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: nobody likes a tease

Playin' in the Band was about two and half to three minutes of theme and usually bad vocals and missed lyrics(I always go right to 2:30),from there for the 23 years that they played the song it took off into whatever it was going to be on that given night,it was the only song that they played that was truly different from version to version,the GD have this mystique of being such great and wondrous improvisers which could not be further from the truth,that ended after 74',and even prior to that it's questionable as to how much genuine improvising went on.Playin' for me represents all that was good about the band,and considering the fact that they played it throughout the bulk of their history,I think it is their most important tune ,I have little use for most of their post 74' output,excepting a few hundred songs out of thousands performed mainly between 76'-85',but I can still respect their approach to Playin',as it remained the only song they did that retained it's improvisational integrity.

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Poster: lucifer1306217 Date: Jul 29, 2011 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: nobody likes a tease

i think no one likes a tease because it is very terrible

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 28, 2011 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: nobody likes a tease

It was Garcia, and he was replying to a question about the Cosmic Charlie campaign...
http://www.yoyow.com/marye/garcia.html

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jul 28, 2011 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: nobody likes a tease

Oh I totally like that extended Last Time Intro I just don't hear the SS tease that most do.

And I concur on the Cosmic Charlie heartbreak. That was just cruel.

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Jul 28, 2011 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: nobody likes a tease

Thanks all for the links.

Anybody remember the Cosmic Charlie campaign from, the mid 80s? (summer 84, maybe?) Some fans tried really hard to get the band to resurect that one... Flyers, beach balls, etc.... Seems like that interview quote may have been a response to that...

BTW, Furthur does a great job on all those 'done' songs, IMO.